psyence in motion ([info]neuromance) wrote in [info]teddyboys,

Basics of Boystyle.

Having heard several comments (not from here ^^;) to the effect that "there's no real difference between kodona/dandy/etc" I figured maybe this was a good post to make. It'll also maybe help for critiques... because if you wanted to be kodona, if everyone isn't on a similar
page of what "kodona" means versus ouji and whatnot, it'll be hard to give advice. I wanted to start off by saying a few things to keep in mind:

1) boystyles of gothic & lolita are very different than girlstyles. Their evolution in Japan didn't come from boys saying "hey, I really want to be ... X" but evolved more originally as a companion to the gothic & lolita, either as a form of twinning or a co-ordination between girlfriend and boyfriend. Because of its position as a relative minority in the scene and its usual position as an.. accessory? for lolitas, the massive amounts of manifestos and style
breakdowns that gothic & lolita have do not exist for this style (...yet?). However, [info]traumerei and I were discussing that we distinctly see that in how we term different branches of this style there are different looks and that's why I'm posting this. ^^;





1a) so to sum up 1: if you wear ... idunno, a tank top and hawaiian shorts and want to make it ouji, the prohibitions don't exist to tell you that it's taboo or you shouldn't do it. We don't have fashion system rules exactly the way girlstyles do, what's more important is being stylish. Which of course, has it's own fashion systemic forms in itself. Good brands, good lines, and of course finding the right fit.

2) boystyles evolved to a large degree *from* visual kei. While the case can be made that girlstyles did as well, visual kei musicians are ... well, boys, and many g&l girls ideal boys are visual kei boys. See where I'm going here? ^^; A number of boystyle vendors also got their start outfitting visual kei bands. Boystyle is not cosplay though and should never be seen as one in the same. You can take influence from visual kei bands (I think you guys know
this) but streetstyle in Japan is very different from cosplay.

3) ideally, I want this post to serve a wiki-esque function. I have my perspective of boystyle, but I'm not the sole person on this list, so I really encourage replies to this post to create a definitive "guide" to boystyles, prominent influences, etc, etc. As people reply I'll try to encorporate their responses into the original post, and this post will be put in the memories of teddyboys for future reference.

4) and giving credit where credit is due, because of the vast archiving she's done many of these images will be coming from Avant Gauche
initially. They're stored on my storage space and possibly modified though so please don't steal bandwidth (from either of us XD). Massive thanks should go to Avant Gauche XD

boystyle celebrities


Shisen (紫泉).
Shisen is a DJ heavily involved in the goth/loli/cyber club communities in Japan. Not only has he been photographed a bazillion times by the GLB for streetsnaps, he's also been profiled
several times about his style. I think it's been said he is the original inspiration of oujisama, and certainly there are several Shisen trademarks to the style.

Shisen is also very well recognized in the cyber fashion communities of Japan, and he has his own livejournal community (created by fans, naturally) --> [info]kingofgoth


Taroo
Maybe not such a huge influence to boystyle, but he is a prominent male dj in the gothic scene of Japan (who I find hot for some odd reason) AND he really has the aristocratic look down.
You'll see him in a lot of street snaps with Genet of Auto-Mod, so he is someone looked on to be fashionable.


Yukiya
Can't say I know all that much about Yukiya, but he gets photographed a LOT in the street snaps and his looks are always completely outrageous. I don't think I would categorize him easily
into any of the styles, but it's very oldschool goth with a dab of Peter Murphy/Kiyoharu in for good measure. @_@; Sometimes he does very aristocratic looks as well, I guess I shouldn't say
he always looks outrageous, but when they ask him what his fashion theme is (see below) he always has some extremely longwinded description.


Manamu (魔名夢)
This girl (?!) has totally fooled me before. You'll see her in streetsnaps in both boystyle and lolita. She really mixes style up a lot and has been photographed with Shisen and others a
number of times as well as a fashion feature being done on her.


Ryutarou
Didn't want to put many visual kei musicians in here, but Ryutarou is my exception. In the US the whole reason a lot of us say "kodona" is because of a flippant comment made by him in regards to his style. Ryutarou is the vocalist of Plastic Tree and often wears very childish clothing. Just ignore the fact that I fail at finding "cute" photos of him or his clothing.
^^;


Designers

Pretty much any lolita clothing company you come across has at least a handful of items made for boys, or many more made for girls that will work stylistically for boystyle. However, there are some brands that are especially recognized for their boystyle and that's what the
focus will be here.

A+Lidel
Algonquins
Atelier-Boz
Black Peace Now
Putumayo
Maxicimam (check under MA)
sex pot revenge
Sexy Dynamite London


Terminology

Today's Fashion Theme (今日のフアション テーム)
In the GLB when you look at street snaps, if you're ever wondering what something is "considered" one easy way is to look at what the person themselves is calling it. The reason why, for instance, ouji is considered the "real name" of boystyle is because so many people
call their theme ouji in the street snaps (or variations thereof: plaid ouji, Mad Hatter ouji, etc, etc). It's also where you find people explaining what the style was meant to remind them of, or what started the outfit ("matching the white onepiece", "a spring garden", etc).


styles


Aristocrat
In my experience this is what you'll see the most of for boystyles, because the aristocratic look is elegant, mature and nominally similar to most modern fashion types. Aristocrats are an
"adult" style, the most basic being a sharp suit set with a fashionable hat. Some styles mimic genuine time periods, but an elegant "gothic" three piece also exists. The way I think of
these when I see some of the photos is "^^; someones gothic lolita girlfriend really wanted him to come out with her." Not to say they're bad, but they're not necessarily adventurous.


Dandy
Dandy I consider another "adult" style to some degree. The distinction I make is that the idea of the word "dandy" is a man of distinction, elegance and class. So the look I think reflects
this and are less reserved than the aristocrats and more hyperbolic in presence.


Gothic
"Gothic" is what a lot of men say their fashion theme is, and this usually involves a lot of black and some degree of androgyny. It's true, they don't really fall into any other preconcieved notion of fashion besides, well, gothic. h.naoto creates a lot of stuff that sort of fits into this category.


Ouji
Shisen is the only one who really calls it "oujisama." Most people just call it ouji (王子). Personally a lot of what gets lumped into ouji I consider dandy, but well.. whatever. Ouji means 'prince,' of course, and is the ideal counterpart to the lolita because of it's inherent incorporation of fantasy and a romantic perspective to the past.

Ouji IS the definitive category of g&l boystyle in Japan. If you see it getting called anything, chances are it's either aristocrat or ouji. Ouji is playful and young, most often using a short knicker-like pant and colour/pattern combinations that don't blend well together.

Personally speaking I always associate ouji with a mini crown because, well, that's what princes wear, but I haven't found many crowns. More often you see a full sized hat of some sort paired with a smart suit of some sort (youthfully tacky of course) with a boxy shoe. I've also seen variations with some form of saccharine cute hate (a rabbit or batwing hat, for example) and the boxy shoes.

Punk
You'll see a lot of fashion punk. I think we all know what it looks like. Due to Sexy Dynamite Lodon you'll see a lot Vivienne Westwood looking stuff, and due to Sex Pot Revenge a lot of ... I don't even know how to describe that right now. This can not merely be determined by the appearance of plaid, as a lot of the other looks really love plaid, so keep that in mind.


Kodona
We normally refer to most of these designs as 'kodona'. The word 'kodona' comes into use from Plastic Tree's Ryutarou saying that's what his style was. 'kodona' means childlike in Japanese, so this style really takes a more literalized approach to the counterpart of g&l in my mind, being more of a stripped down, scrappy version of ouji. Shorts/high knickers get paired with knee high socks and shoes. Shirts are simple and paired with childish ties.

Quoting [info]traumerei "one of the most important things about kodona is size balance. like, if your shirt is fitted, your tie would be big. if your pants are short, your socks are long. if your pants are long, your shoes are big, etc... it's hard to sense the essence of kodona without a little imbalance. color coordination is also important."

I think that comment sums up a lot on kodona (and also ouji). The idea is to look like a kid who's outgrown their clothes a bit, so it's very important to examine pieces as they work with the outfit as a whole.

Teddy Boy
A subculture of London toughs in the 1950's and 60's who wore Edwardian clothes. Not pertinent to anything, but I think worth pointing out that you can find significant influence for boystyle from a lot of sources.


accessories

cravat:
The forerrunner to the necktie, the cravat was a scarf tied in an elegant style around the neck (some people have gone so far as to call them "well tied napkins"). For our purposes, they are
more dressed up than simple neckties, but not as frilly as a jabot.

knickers:
an abbreviation for 'knickerbockers,' the word knickers (in this context) refers to pants at just below the knee that fasten at the bottom. In case you were wondering, the rationale behind g&l companies selling knickers above the knee is that often children would outgrow their knickers and would sport 1-4 inches of bare knee between their knickers and their knee length socks.

jabot:
A jabot is an ornamental set of ruffles down the front of a dress or shirt. Some are attached to a garment and some come unattached.

plus fours:
knickers with an additional four inches that were meant to look baggier.

Links


Boys in Prince's Clothing
an ouji photo collection.


A few pages of events with boystyle:

1
2

other:
how to tie a tie
Historical Boys Clothing

Tags: boystyle, definitions, faq, ouji

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[info]robinhood

July 25 2005, 06:38:50 UTC 6 years ago

You (or anyone else, for that matter) wouldn't happen to know/have instructions on how to make/tie a cravat? ;;;

[info]neuromance

July 25 2005, 06:49:08 UTC 6 years ago

this cravat selling shop has a how to tie section, where you can see that... the actual shape of a cravat isn't that complex, I think. I also have this guide for cravats showing some of the different tying styles:



So I'm guessing if you google any of those with "-name- cravat how to" someone has probably made some form of how to by now. ^^;

[info]tropigalia

July 25 2005, 07:01:27 UTC 6 years ago

this is fantastic! i'm adding this to my memories for sure but i think you should let [info]missmeganmaude know about this because there are like 2 posts a day on [info]egl about "OMG IS THERE A BOY VERSION OF LOLITA?" or "WHAT'S KODONA? LOL".

also, taroo is hot :O

[info]neuromance

July 25 2005, 07:26:18 UTC 6 years ago

hahaha. you have no idea how hot I find Taroo. When I got flyers with him on them I just sort of sat there and drooled. (*^^*)

Maybe... I kind of want to get some more community input on how they see the different style and/or other things worth adding before I push this into the EGL community. Not that criticism isn't welcome... but those of us who want to dress up in boystyle should have the first say of it. ^^; IMO of course.

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[info]traumerei

July 25 2005, 18:25:17 UTC 6 years ago

ohhh~~~ you win!! i was going to post something like this later in the week. X3; i've been scanning boystyle stuff from Kera lately, so maybe i'll post that stuff anyway. i was thinking, it would be cool to create a boy's style homepage. there are so many basic "what's lolita?" pages i feel a boystyle one is very much needed. not like rules of fashion as are on some lolita homepages, but suggestions and examples instead.

[info]neuromance

July 26 2005, 03:52:45 UTC 6 years ago

ahhhh~~! cool!! do it! I was thinking of doing some sort of page... but I'm apathetic XD and my intention wasn't something so permanent. But if you plan on doing that let me know and I'll contribute whatever I can.

Also, I had some questions for you... Japanese style fashion, what would you call it and have you seen any of it in Kera? A+Lidel has a concept sketch of something to that effect (formal, elegant Japanese boystyle) but have you seen anything else? I know you were into bankara a while back.

Oh, and were you ever planning on ordering from double decker? :3 their 2 for $100 sale is so freaking tempting.

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[info]insomniel

July 25 2005, 21:14:45 UTC 6 years ago

thanks for writing this up, i think it's very definitive and helpful. i'm not an expert, but i'll venture a few of my opinions just because... i feel that aristocrat is the more gothic side, like what post-gackt malice mizer wears, very streamlined and elegant and dark. while dandy seems to be more brighter and extravagant, with funky hats and plaids and knee socks, not so much streamline. i also like your definitions of kodona versus oujisama, i think that slight difference is something to keep in mind, at least for definition purposes. i would say oujisama is closer to victorian recreation and fantasy, while kodona is even more childlike.

if no one else is doing it, i wouldn't mind make a boystyle page. or at least designing a layout...

[info]neuromance

July 26 2005, 03:54:06 UTC 6 years ago

haha XD take to [info]traumerei and see if she's serious or not. It would be awesome if people could get together and make a page.

And I'll try to add your comments this week XD thanks for posting!! (I seriously DO appreciate the input!)

[info]neuromance

6 years ago

[info]lilyofthevalley

July 25 2005, 22:01:05 UTC 6 years ago

This was really interesting to read, thank you for taking your time to write all this down!

[info]neuromance

July 26 2005, 03:54:55 UTC 6 years ago

thanks XD if you have anything else to add, by all means let me know.

[info]perfect_black

July 25 2005, 22:14:34 UTC 6 years ago

this post is awesome! Thankyou!

[info]neuromance

July 26 2005, 03:55:09 UTC 6 years ago

thanks XD and feel free to offer suggestions!

Anonymous

July 26 2005, 04:27:33 UTC 6 years ago

Thank you for this it realllly makes me happy ^_^

[info]legsdiamond

July 26 2005, 04:28:30 UTC 6 years ago

yeah umm. . that was me. . forgetting to log in

[info]neuromance

6 years ago

[info]lovely_yunie

July 26 2005, 06:14:03 UTC 6 years ago

Ahh~ so Shisen is his name! I've been wondering who he was because I had seen so many pictures of him! The others as well~!

Thank you very much for this! It was quite helpful~ :3

[info]lala_annie

July 31 2005, 02:21:33 UTC 6 years ago

That was really informative. Before, I basically clumped all boys styles into one or two catagories, so I'm very happy I have a better idea of the different groups. I'm a girl, but I absolutly love boy styles!

There definatly is a lack of resources and photos on them. I would also be happy to help out with this website. I know HTML and CSS and I'm super at making websites, then someone else can fill in the content!

[info]pikapika217

August 8 2005, 14:00:16 UTC 6 years ago

*adds this post to his memories*

thank you sooo much. I never knew that there were soo many varieties. very informative and just lovely

[info]neuromance

August 9 2005, 05:24:30 UTC 6 years ago

Re: *adds this post to his memories*

glad it was of use XD

[info]sweetphaex

October 25 2006, 23:39:02 UTC 5 years ago

*adds to memories* This is gold! Dandy/Prince style is my new obsession right now along with Age of Sail uniforms (the english sure knew how to dress!)

[info]haigha

April 16 2007, 16:56:21 UTC 5 years ago

Broken pictures?

I love this page, it is full of a lot of great information, however... The pictures, and a lot of the links don't work..? I know this page has been up for about.. Two years now, but if anyone's going to check this to update it, can you fix the broken pictures and links? ^_^?

[info]kittyhot

April 21 2007, 18:08:27 UTC 5 years ago

Military-style

Oh, I thought you had taken the pictures out XD They aren't working? (Maybe you did after that was posted...)

Anyway. What I wanted to point out was that it looks like there is a lot of military-inspired gothic clothing for men now. It wasn't obvious to me until I saw some in GLB 21 (I think? Hakuei is modeling men-style clothing in it) and thought back to some of the WWII-ish outfits I had seen some guys dressing in.

I think this might have been started by westerners, since I think there is actually a style of military-goth (and I think this ties in slightly to the Nazi-bondage fetish as well ^^; ).

Since they were allied with the Germans during WWII, it seems that most of this clothing style is modeled after German uniforms, even if it means wearing a Nazi swastika. I mean, you wouldn't expect them to model their style after American soliders, who defeated them, right?!

This has also been done in Visual kei in the past, which is why it clicks so well to me.

I think the current trend of pinning a band of fabric (sometimes with symbols) around one of your arms (in the punk look) is actually derived from WWII soldiers also.

Would you say that "military style" includes princes and pirates, since they (or the clothes related to them that are most popular) were technically soldiers or military personnel themselves? (Maybe not pirates...)

[info]x_highonlife

June 23 2007, 01:05:04 UTC 4 years ago

I have a question. You've put Ouji and Kodona in different sections, but I thought that they were merely the same style with different names?

[info]btot

July 29 2007, 20:34:22 UTC 4 years ago

very cool guide! just I wished to discover anywere on the net more matching photos or drawings for the boystyle especial in counterpart with there girl loli matching parts. Any idea how a Qi-, Wa-loli Ouji-counterpart would look like? I didn't have any idea :-)

PS.: The links on the end of the article are outdate and didn't work anymore ;-(

[info]haruyama

October 4 2007, 12:35:55 UTC 4 years ago

ah this is to be put in my memories =) very informative..but the pictures I think can't be seen..x_X just telling

[info]grassy_gnoll

October 20 2007, 02:59:08 UTC 4 years ago

Thank you. Was looking everywhere for a definative article on GL for guys. You rock!

[info]grassy_gnoll

November 15 2007, 02:01:27 UTC 4 years ago

Have you considered www.fanplusfriend.com? They have a very good selection,and are relatively (in the Hot Topic vs. Moim-meme-moite sense) cheap.

[info]yami_no_geisha

December 2 2007, 14:43:44 UTC 4 years ago

A very interesting article (and community^^) but, as a part-time Gothic Aristocrat, I'm missing Moi-meme-Moitie in your list of designers:

http://www.rakuten.co.jp/moi-meme-moitie/100095/

50% of their collection is made for men, or women who want to dress like men (almost all garments are available in male and female sizes). And, of course, Mana is the figurehead of Gothic Aristocrat.

Take care!

[info]nozomiwhitewolf

February 15 2009, 19:30:15 UTC 3 years ago

Can anyone fix some of the links on here? I really want to see the photos but I'm guessing this entry is so old that they got moved/deleted...?
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